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Nathan Lambert says he hopes more U.S. labs will follow the example of small teams in building models

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On November 5, 2026, Nathan Lambert commented on Ricursive Intelligence's release of Ripple-65B Preview, calling it an ambitious project and expressing hope that more U.S. labs would follow suit, building solid models with small, focused teams. He noted that the model's approach continues the olmo series, and that seeing a project he was involved in scaled up is very meaningful. On the same day, Ricursive Intelligence released this 65B dense large model pretrained from scratch, claiming it achieves SOTA on agentic coding tasks among U.S. open-weight models, surpassing larger models such as Muse Spark Open-816B, Beam-501B, Inkling-975B, and Nemotron 3 Ultra-550B. swyx quoted its explanation stating that the $32 million is the full R&D cost from scratch, covering pretraining ladder development, data mixing, evaluation, debugging, synthetic data generation, post-training scheme development, and the final pretraining and post-training runs.

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Ricursive Intelligence Releases Ripple-65B Preview, Training Cost $32 Million

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  1. Nathan Lambert says he hopes more US labs will follow the example of small teams in building models

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  2. Ripple-65B Preview completed training for $32 million

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    Ricursive Intelligence Releases Ripple-65B Preview, Training Cost $32 Million

    Ricursive Intelligence has released Ripple-65B Preview, a 65B dense large model pretrained from scratch, claiming it achieves SOTA on agentic coding tasks among U.S. open-weight models, surpassing larger models such as Muse Spark Open-816B, Beam-501B, Inkling-975B, and Nemotron 3 Ultra-550B. swyx cited its explanation stating that the $32 million is the complete R&D cost from scratch, covering pretraining ladder development, data mixing, evaluation, debugging, synthetic data generation, post-training scheme development, and the final pretraining and post-training runs.

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    Ricursive Intelligence Releases Ripple-65B Preview Open-Weight Model

    Ricursive Intelligence has released Ripple-65B Preview, a general-purpose open-weight model that scores 80.52 on TerminalBench 2.1, which it claims is SOTA among US open-weight models, surpassing Reflection Beam 501B's 80.1 and Meta Muse Spark Open 816B's 76.4. The model was pretrained on 12 trillion tokens, supports a context length of up to 1M, uses a dense Transformer architecture rather than MoE, and had a total R&D cost of $32 million. The model is now available on Hugging Face, Together AI, GMI Cloud, and OpenRouter, with Fireworks launching later the same day.

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    Nathan Lambert on Ripple-65B: Small Teams Can Also Build Solid Models

    Nathan Lambert commented on Ricursive Intelligence's release of Ripple-65B Preview, calling it an ambitious project and expressing hope that more U.S. labs will follow suit by building solid models with small, focused teams. He noted that the model's approach continues the olmo line, and that seeing a project he was involved in scaled up is meaningful. The quoted tweet states that Ripple-65B is a 65B dense large language model pretrained from scratch, surpassing larger models such as Muse Spark Open-816B, Beam-501B, Inkling-975B, and Nemotron 3 Ultra-550B on agentic coding tasks among U.S. open-weight models.

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